In a Feb. 15 segment for the TODAY show’s “Changemakers” and “Black Voices” series, Cardinal Wilton Gregory reflected on his faith journey and on his own experiences with racism. He described his race as a common denominator for how he is judged, along with “every other African American man in Washington,” when he is not wearing clothes that identify him as a member of the clergy.

The interview was conducted by Al Roker, weather forecaster and cohost for the TODAY show.

Roker asked the cardinal about his path to the priesthood, which began when he was a student in Catholic school in Chicago and was inspired by the example of the priests and women religious there; about his pastoral role in relation to the president of the United States; about his status as the first African American to be made a cardinal; and asked whether he has experienced racism.

“I don’t know of any African American who hasn’t tasted the bitter cup of discrimination,” Cardinal Gregory said. He added that as long as he is dressed as a member of the clergy, “I'm treated with great respect and affection. But if I take off my clerics to go out, to go shopping or run an errand, I'm in the pool of every other African American man in Washington.”

The cardinal told of one occasion, perhaps 15 years ago, when he was invited to a Palm Springs golf club. Dressed to play golf, he went to open the trunk of his car. Someone approached and said to him, “’You can put my clubs on the golf cart.’ I had to say, ‘Well, I can have somebody retrieve your clubs, but I’m here to play golf.’ I never forgot that.”

Such experiences are healthy reminders for him, he said. "It's good for me not to lose a grounding in the experience of what it means to be an African American man in our country.”

Al Roker of the TODAY show conducts an interview with Washington Cardinal Wilton Gregory in the chapel of the Archdiocese of Washington's Pastoral Center.  The interview aired as part of the show's Black Voices series during February, Black History Month. (CS photo/Andrew Biraj)

The interview with Roker, who noted that he is Catholic, was recorded in January at the chapel in the Archdiocese of Washington’s Pastoral Center in Hyattsville, Maryland.

Cardinal Gregory and Roker also discussed how the cardinal would interact with President Joe Biden as a Catholic in his archdiocese. The cardinal said he knows there will be times when they will disagree, but he doesn’t expect their paths to cross frequently.

"He's not going to be on speed dial, and I hope I'm not on his speed dial," he said. "But there will be moments when I will be able to speak to him about faith, about the works that he is trying to accomplish that we can be supportive of, but also areas where we're not going to agree. But I'm going to always try to do it in a respectful way.”

A clip was shown of Cardinal Gregory offering a prayer at a pre-inaugural memorial service on Jan. 19 at the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool, to remember the 400,000 Americans who had died of the coronavirus at that point. Standing nearby at the memorial service were Joe Biden and Kamala Harris joined by their spouses, one day before the new president and vice president were inaugurated.

Cardinal Gregory said his message to the nation at that service was, “If we're going to heal, we have to remember we have to heal together.”

After the interview, the TODAY show's Al Roker, who is Catholic, stands with Cardinal Gregory. (CS photo/Andrew Biraj)

The cardinal said that while he was at the Vatican for his elevation as a cardinal in November, “There were so many thoughts going through my heart and mind. I thought about my mom and dad, family members, my grandmother. It was very humbling.”

Noting that some people wondered why it took so long for an African American to be made a cardinal, Washington's archbishop said it was a reminder that the Catholic Church, like the rest of the world, continues to grapple with racism and exclusion.

(A related article, along with a link to a video of Al Roker’s interview with Cardinal Gregory, can be found on the TODAY show’s website at www.today.com .)